AMD Ryzen 7 8700G Reddit Verdict: Great iGPU, Wrong Price

It gets above 30 fps in cyberpunk 1080p low, it's impressive for an igpu there's no need to downplay it

Where did they get that conclusion from? With this we're merely back to 2014 levels of relative performance compared to dgpus. It's still only 60-70% the speed of a 1650, and it's gonna stay the same in subsequent generations until ddr6 comes. Igpu gaming will never catch up on PC resolutions without on package memory.

There is little reason to buy this for its GPU for gaming. You can get other options with a dGPU for the same price offering substantially more performance. At Computerbase it couldn't even beat the gtx 1650 in efficiency while getting beaten heavily in gaming.

To me it makes sense for a mid-productivity build with light gaming on the side. You get a decently powerful 8 cores cpu, and an iGPU that is not terrible. With its low power, you can probably get away with a tiny power supply and mobo, small case, and fit the whole computer in $700.

Launch high, collect poor reviews, sell low

1080p40 low capable

The reviewer set the iGPU engine clock to 3400 MHz, up from its 2900 MHz reference speed. A combination of the two resulted in a 17% increase in the Time Spy score over stock speeds; which is how the chip manages to beat the discrete GTX 1650.

This is a cool tech demo, and I'm glad that we're slowly killing the entry level e-waste graphics card, but it's not a product anyone should actually buy.

So AMD said they think this is close to a GTX1650 but... I think 'close' is doing some heavy lifting there. It's a step in the right direction though, of course it smokes Iris Xe and stands alone in being the fastest integrated GPU available. Still I hope people don't get the wrong impression here. For a Fortnite machine for your kid though... perfect.

The problem with the 8700G is the price and segmentation. $330 is a considerable amount, and thus you end up having to compare it to entry level CPU+GPU configurations. An i3-12100F+A750 is $300 (or RX 6600) and will blow away the 8700G in gaming, encoding, and GPU heavy workloads.

780M is twice the performance of Steam Deck, roughly speaking. Which we know can run a lot of games surprisingly well. Yeah, it's not going to run you new games at high settings by any means. But it will let you run Starfield at around 30 fps (1080p low), F1 2023 at 54 fps (1080p high), Final Fantasy XIV in mid 40-ish range at max settings and Baldur's Gate 3.

Because it's not meant to be in desktop main, more like low profile build, tiny build. Like media center with emulation capacity & light gaming. Or to be honest slick administration desktop, no much noises and hidden.

Why not? I built my office pc around 5700g, it runs Witcher 3 on 1080 and some medium/high all on lower tdp...

This has always been an issue since amd got serious about APU in 2011. The performance will never be enough for enjoyable AAA gaming at 1080p at comparable cost to buying a cpu and gpu separately. Its only good solution for home and office PCs for web browsing and basic stuff but in cheaper form like $150-200 APU not $330

I think this only makes sense for the tiniest possible small form factor builds, or if GPU prices go insane again and you need something to hold you over until you can buy a dGPU.

Cant wait for these to pop up in mini-pcs

It is capable, but expensive over intel i3 with cheap GPU like GTX 1660

Why not? It should make sense in a very small form factor case, right? No space for a discrete GPU.

The line up is overpriced.

I know someone who recently built a 7700X iGPU build. They don't play games. They just wanted a desktop. They found the iGPU to be insufficient for that - watching 4K YouTube on one screen while playing online poker in a browser on the other screen pegged the 7700X iGPU. There are usecases for CPUs like this. If I were building a dGPU-less desktop, I'd go with a G series over an X series AM5 every time.

Time and time again, it's a highly niche solution looking for a problem.

The GTX 970 is faster than the APU. You might want to buy a cheaper CPU and just use the GTX 970. Sadly the 8700G isn't really great value and the cheaper 8500G sacrifices too much GPU performance.

It's fine as a successor to 5700G / 5600G, not weird. What was weird is the price

It's price. This is a $330 apu. If gaming it gets smoked by a $100 cpu + $200 gpu.

7800x3d is much better. The 8700G also won't be able to run AI like they claimed. It's going to lack software support and probably won't be strong enough to run anything big. Plus lack of vram so you'll need a lot of ram.

Unbeatable in SFF/microcomputer segment. Newegg's top selling item in barebones PC is still an AM4 barebones the size of a standard PSU.

Nobody want this very weird CPU lineup

8700G is roughly equivalent to gtx1650, more than capable of running old games.

I think comparisons to the 5700G/5600G make more sense than comparisons with dGPUs. The 8700G is at least a net 100% improvement compared to the previous Vega 7/Vega 8 iGPU microarchitecture, which means AMD's iGPUs have come a LONG way since vega 7/Vega 8.

Kinda pointless. A Ryzen 7600 will essentially beat a 8700G when paired with a GPU. You could then just get some used $100 GPU and in the end it costs the same and you have basically the same performance.

Still a total waste. Get a cheap CPU, cheap GPU and cheap memory and still get better performance.

These chips are cursed because they're not really good at any price remotely close to what AMD needs to sell them for - if you can get an i3-12100F and RX 6600 build for even 50% more money than a full 8700G system, you always, always should.

The 8700G is essentially a slightly slower 7700 with a more powerful integrated GPU. That's it. The more powerful integrated GPU also has some basic AI acceleration, but it's likely intended more for running LLMs using less power vs any significant benefits when training.

These APUs are actually quite interesting prospects for overclockers and system tuners, their monolithic architecture allows for super high FCLK speeds (2500+) and equally as high memory speeds (9000+ MT/s)

I think everyone can agree the price tag is far too high to be anything but a novelty. But on a more positive note, I'm excited for the trickle down tech. There's a lot of positive uses - mini PCs like NUCs are already using similar chips, and the Ally has a version of this chip.

In Techspot's review, 8700G stopped having massive iGPU performance gains at around DDR5-6400 at stock 2900MHz iGPU clock. Furthermore, DDR5-8400 is super expensive, so IMO, it's a waste of money. DDR5-7200 seems to be relatively affordable and that's probably where I'd stop if I was buying an 8700G.

No that is perfectly normal. Its how new gen processors work. 10C+ when you start up an app or something it will go down again. If it jumps to 70+ then it is not normal.

I don't think NPU matters, you will need a GPU. You can run some specialized ONNX models on NPU but I have no idea about their state and support, and it will still be way slower than a proper GPU. If you don't want dedicated graphics - AI PRO 300 series (Strix Halo) or Mac.

I probably won't bother with the vid card since the cpu has enough igpu for my needs at least until some killer game comes along.

I am a bit disappointed by the results, but it was to be expected. I was looking forward to building a small quiet mini-itx system based on the 8600g. However, the AM5 platform costs are still costly, especially with the APU being very RAM-sensitive. This is what is holding me back.

I just tried the manual fan curve. Now it is actually not that loud and the temperature is actually a bit lower. I tried Stalker 2 and it is 60-70 during gaming and 70 during shaders compilation. Previously it was 70-72 all the time. It helps a lot.

I did some research on CPU inference speed a few weeks ago and was also thinking maybe 8700G is a good choice. But the task is so memory bound, that changing CPU seems to hardly matter. The desktops with Ryzen 395+ is faster, it has soldered on-package memory.

Not so sure: the 8700G does not support a pcie 4.0x16 slot, instead all of your cards will run at pcie 4.0x8. That's not an issue right now, as there isn't any GPU that can utilize pcie 4.0x8 except for the 4090 perhaps, but this might change in the future.